Curse

Malchiel · Jun 20, 2005, 09:40 AM // 09:40

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Originally Posted by Porkchop Sandwhiches

No they're dear near 100k. Which is soo messed up. Someone who started really playing after they put in runes traders will now NEVER be able to buy a Sup. Vigor at that price from a rune trader because hey! They can't make that kind of money anymore.

sorry, weeks even before the rune trader, superior vigor were already selling for 100 plat.

And the prices flactuate depending on the supply. I have seen it as low as 75 plat. So it pretty much is the same old price you're seeing on superior vigor.

For the others who don't think a superior vigor is worth it though, the other runes suddenly just became a whole LOT more affordable.

MaglorD · Jun 20, 2005, 09:41 AM // 09:41

That's a relieve, so I'm still 100K rich

Porkchop Sandwhiches · Jun 20, 2005, 09:44 AM // 09:44

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Originally Posted by Malchiel

sorry, weeks even before the rune trader, superior vigor were already selling for 100 plat.

And the prices flactuate depending on the supply. I have seen it as low as 75 plat. So it pretty much is the same old price you're seeing on superior vigor.

For the others who don't think a superior vigor is worth it though, the other runes suddenly just became a whole LOT more affordable.

That is not new news to me, I was talking about how this will effect newer players who don't have that kind of money. Older players who farmed the hell out of things and sold runes for insane prices are different than the new ones who can't.

kaheiyeh · Jun 20, 2005, 09:48 AM // 09:48

Lowest i've seen is 120gold for Superior Illusion and Superior Fast Casting. It also seems like 120gold is the lowest the trader goes for any rune.

Malchiel · Jun 20, 2005, 09:51 AM // 09:51

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Originally Posted by Porkchop Sandwhiches

That is not new news to me, I was talking about how this will effect newer players who don't have that kind of money. Older players who farmed the hell out of things and sold runes for insane prices are different than the new ones who can't.

Nawh, new players will make their own money. I have never sold runes at insane prices. And did make decent money still by farming.

And those SUPERIOR runes that sell for 25 gold at the trader? Those ones usually take me days to sell. Not really the most efficient gold/time way to get rich.

So yeah, even back then those runes which now sell for 25 gold? Wasn't worth a whole lot. If it did, those superiors would have been sold a lot faster.

Spamming the trade channel for hours on end, was not worth my time. I'm glad for the rune trader. You can see the actual value of those runes.

Mr. Matt · Jun 20, 2005, 10:31 AM // 10:31

I agree with the changes they have made. But one thing I do find odd is that dye is now a hell of a lot more expensive than runes. What's the difference? Well, dye has no practical value (other than from selling any that you find for a profit...), whereas runes do. That is a little weird, wouldn't you say?

NilePenguin · Jun 20, 2005, 11:08 AM // 11:08

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

Here's a nice justification of the posters rant.

Oh, and remember the people saying stuff like Sup Vigor wasn't worth it's price? It's getting there now through the rune trader.

American server, I presume? Because on the european one, Sup Vigor is always 100k...

EcPercy · Jun 20, 2005, 11:16 AM // 11:16

So, basically everyone is saying that, for instance, a major rune of absorption can be sold by the rune trader for 4plat, but they will give you 25g for it is acceptable???........

Tetris L · Jun 20, 2005, 11:23 AM // 11:23

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Originally Posted by kaheiyeh

It also seems like 120gold is the lowest the trader goes for any rune.

That's if you try to BUY a minor rune. If you wana SELL, the lowest is 25 gold.

Sekkira · Jun 20, 2005, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by NilePenguin

American server, I presume? Because on the european one, Sup Vigor is always 100k...

Nope, Euro server.

Great Gjl · Jun 20, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

I agree with the changes they have made. But one thing I do find odd is that dye is now a hell of a lot more expensive than runes. What's the difference? Well, dye has no practical value (other than from selling any that you find for a profit...), whereas runes do. That is a little weird, wouldn't you say?

Practical use is only one factor that determines price, and often it's a minor factor (especially in the western world). Also, nobody wants to buy, say, a crappy Major Rune of Soul Reaping, and the rune trader serves as a good guide to stopping noobs from wasting their own time clogging up the chat channels with products nobody wants. The rune trader bases its prices on what players are willing to buy/sell runes at. Don't blame the trader, blame the players who don't want your worthless runes.

I don't think it's weird at all that people are paying more for dyes than Major Runes of Fast Casting, because I've seen a lot more people buy Black Dyes than aforementioned crappy rune. It's useless comparing crappy low-end items which nobody wants with end-game items in demand and using that as a basis for saying 'omg the rune trader sux.'

Wether or not this idea was taken up because of the thread I posted, I'd like to thank Anet for listening to the community on this one, and not the few rune farmers/botters who were controlling the economy with their virtual monopoly. Acquiring runes is no longer tedious.

BTW I have seen people say traders ensure money 'never leaves the economy', which is rediculous because player-player trading is the primary cause of that. The rune trader also pays out quite a lot less than the sell value since he takes his cut, causing money to leave the economy.

Creston · Jun 20, 2005, 02:05 PM // 14:05

Okay, I understand the argument that most runes are now 25 gold because they're worthless. Doesn't this mean that the whole system is basically BROKEN?

We have, what, 60 different kinds of runes, and only 3 or 4 or so are actually worth anything? That sure sounds like a broken system to me.

Anet needs to reduce the hitpoint hit from major runes. Down to 25. I'd use a major rune if it took 25 health, and then make superior take 40. 50 and 75 is absurd, nobody uses it. 25 and 40 seems better? Any opinions?

I mean, if nobody is using the runes anyways, they might as well get rid of them completely?

Creston

Dazzler · Jun 20, 2005, 02:17 PM // 14:17

Well, I for one am taking advantage of the cheapness of major runes: I bought and equipped 2 major runes instead of buying superior runes because they were so damn cheap. I have a -100HP penalty to get +2 to two of my attributes, which has been working out good for me.

Algren Cole · Jun 20, 2005, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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Originally Posted by Creston

Okay, I understand the argument that most runes are now 25 gold because they're worthless. Doesn't this mean that the whole system is basically BROKEN?

We have, what, 60 different kinds of runes, and only 3 or 4 or so are actually worth anything? That sure sounds like a broken system to me.

Anet needs to reduce the hitpoint hit from major runes. Down to 25. I'd use a major rune if it took 25 health, and then make superior take 40. 50 and 75 is absurd, nobody uses it. 25 and 40 seems better? Any opinions?

I mean, if nobody is using the runes anyways, they might as well get rid of them completely?

Creston

The basis for my entire argument as to why ArenaNet is a company that is doomed to fail. They have no aspect of scope analysis. It's almost like everyone of them learned to program in college....where teacher tells you what to do and you do it. There's no development....no thought process....no implementation scoping....They just think "A rune trader would be cool"...POOF there it is. They need to start thinking about how the changes they make are going to effect the game 3 months from now....not "how happy is everyone gonna be when they see this shiz". People don't know what they want...cuz they don't know what they already have....Programming for the sole purpose of pleasing the gamers is asinine...it's a practice that won't ever bring success....because people are stupid, and always will be. ArenaNet needs to stop catering.

but as I've said before...this game is a PvP that was targeted at PvE players....so I don't expect much support from the community or ArenaNet.

Aug · Jun 20, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Minor runes were never very valuable. At most, you could've gotten 500g for them. And that was just price gouging. Now they're a more realistic value. Minor runes are very common. The rune trader's prices reflect that.

Major runes are slightly more valuable, because they're slightly less common.

Superior runes are pretty rare, but many of them aren't worth much (Sup Beastmastery, Sup Soul Reaping, etc) because they're pretty useless. If you get lucky and pull a Sup Vigor, Absorption, or Fire Magic, however, you're going to cash in. Vigor & Absorption are both near 100k at 10-11 PM EST.

As for newbies not being able to afford runes... sure they will. If you've paid any attention to the market at all, you'd see that the vast majority of rune prices have dropped like rocks. The first night the Rune Trader was out, you could sell id'd Minor Vigors for 1.5 plat. Easy. Now they're worth about 500G, at a high period. A lot of other runes have at least halved in value. Eventually the big ticket runes will also begin to drop off.

The Trader mechanic is, IMO, the best in-game system I've ever seen for ensuring items are sold at market value. I hope more games use the concept in the future. It's brilliant.

Algren - it's obvious you know as much about programming and software development processes as you do economics. Just stop typing while you're ahead

Great Gjl · Jun 20, 2005, 02:59 PM // 14:59

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

The basis for my entire argument as to why ArenaNet is a company that is doomed to fail. They have no aspect of scope analysis. It's almost like everyone of them learned to program in college....where teacher tells you what to do and you do it. There's no development....no thought process....no implementation scoping....They just think "A rune trader would be cool"...POOF there it is. They need to start thinking about how the changes they make are going to effect the game 3 months from now....not "how happy is everyone gonna be when they see this shiz". People don't know what they want...cuz they don't know what they already have....Programming for the sole purpose of pleasing the gamers is asinine...it's a practice that won't ever bring success....because people are stupid, and always will be. ArenaNet needs to stop catering.

but as I've said before...this game is a PvP that was targeted at PvE players....so I don't expect much support from the community or ArenaNet.

I didn't see any arguments in there, just a bunch of petty insults and unfounded assumptions regurgitated out into a mass of bad grammar and spelling. It was nice of you to warn us you were talking shit from the first sentence, though.

Algren Cole · Jun 20, 2005, 03:25 PM // 15:25

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Originally Posted by Great Gjl

I didn't see any arguments in there, just a bunch of petty insults and unfounded assumptions regurgitated out into a mass of bad grammar and spelling. It was nice of you to warn us you were talking shit from the first sentence, though.

I see 'everyone' instead of 'every one' and 'cuz' instead of 'because'.....

the final line of post sums up how much I care about you're opinion of my "bad grammar and poor spelling"

Tyil Thunder Arrow · Jun 20, 2005, 03:29 PM // 15:29

I do not like the rune trader idea only cause it makes it way to easy for anyone who buys gold off ebay to beef up. On the flip side i am sure it has killed ebay traders of runes. Unfortunately it has killed in game worth as well.

A downward spiral

Great Gjl · Jun 20, 2005, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I see 'everyone' instead of 'every one' and 'cuz' instead of 'because'.....

the final line of post sums up how much I care about you're opinion of my "bad grammar and poor spelling"

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but as I've said before...this game is a PvP that was targeted at PvE players....so I don't expect much support from the community or ArenaNet.

Actually, I don't give a crap about PvE in this game and pretty much bought it solely for PvP. I'm in the 'I only play PvE because I have to' camp, but way to go making another baseless assumption.

Since we're being pedantic, I'd like to point out I said 'bad grammar and spelling', and not 'bad grammar and poor spelling,' and that I wasn't referring to just the two spelling mistakes you pointed out. It's also 'your' opinion, not 'you're.' See? I can write pointless shit too.

Moskel · Jun 20, 2005, 03:37 PM // 15:37

The only reason runes were 'worth' what they were 'worth' was due to artifical scarcity caused by the huge number of different runes available, the limited player storage space, and the inadequate trading system to facilitate deals between buyer and seller.

Next up I hope we see a weapon upgrade trader, then you'll see just how common the 'WTS +20 fortitude <insert weapon part name here>, 10k' upgrades really are. There is no reason to constrain markets with artificial scarcity if they have the ability to code us a good solution which the rune trader is.

The rune trader isn't 'costing you money'. All of the runes you BUY are cheaper too. If you were farming and selling runes, well guess what, the rune trader doesn't sell unidentified runes, so farm, salvage and sell all you want still.